Cody, Max, and Andrew are joined by a special, unicorn-like guest to take a look at three of the most fan-requested Internet crazies.

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Episode Title: L.L.E. #4: Furries, Teddies, and the Church of Mario
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101
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Cody Baier, Max Vader, Andrew Erickson
Associate Producer: David Majors
Executive Producer: Sean Russell

 

L.L.E. #4: Furries, Teddies, and the Church of Mario:

After 100 episodes, it’s time to finally start listening to their fans! Ever since The Other Side first started doing episodes about crazy people on the internet, there have been a few names that have been requested by the fans numerous times. Three particular individuals you, the Other Side listener, have wanted to hear the guys make fun of since Alex Barry was still the co-host. Well just call ’em your genies, ’cause Cody, Max, Andrew, and special guest LeighAnn Williams are here to make your wish come true. But just who were these three highly-requested wack-a-doos? Well that would just ruin the surprise! You’ll just have to listen and find out!

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The ever-controversial shock jock of Anime3000, and host of The Other Side (alongside Andrew Erickson and Max-Vader), and frequent guest on the A3K Podcast. Blunt, unfiltered, and politically incorrect, Cody's podcast appearances are not for the thin skinned. And be sure to check out his 90's cartoon throwback comic, Cloudscratcher!
  • Normality

    Sorry to be a sperg, but I thought I’d clarify that the Amiga stopped being produced in the mid-1990s. Not late 2000s.

    And if you thought Dobson’s art was bad now, just take a look at what he passes off as a “sketch”:

    • “Sorry to be a sperg, but I thought I’d clarify that the Amiga stopped being produced in the mid-1990s. Not late 2000s.”

      Haha, so Schwartz’s obsession is worse than I thought!

      • Some grudges never die I guess. i hate to admit I was obsessed with computer too, always begging my mom for the Amiga 500 after seeing that demo endlessly at Software Etc. (1987 was a cool year)…

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVH5iK_fUMo

        • Normality

          You know, I think it’s okay if you have a fascination of older tech just out of curiosity. Hell, if I had a SNES, I probably wouldn’t be replying right now. But with Mr. Schwartz and others like him, it’s become a full blown obsession that’s overtaken their lives. I wouldn’t be surprised if he inked the strips on an Amiga even. It’d explain why the outlines look jagged upon closer inspection.

          • There’s only so much you can do on an Amiga before it shows!

          • Normality

            And that’s why the man needs to get with the times. And possibly a girlfriend. But I don’t see either happening anytime soon.

          • He can kiss his animation days goodbye!

          • Normality

            Damn straight. Dobson too, but he lost that opportunity a loooong time ago.

          • True. I kinda dig that one test with the kid about to be creamed by that bully and then camera does a 180 of sorts to show the looking off to the side as if someone was there to stop the action. That was a pretty cool test and wished there was more to it.

          • Whaddya mean?! “I draw furry porn for a living” is a really great way to reel in the chicks!

    • God, this is the first time I’ve seen his work (which I’m quite glad never to have known about him before this point), but what is even going on there?

      • Normality

        To hell if I know. Dobson’s been getting shitter and shitter with every waking moment, both art wise and personality wise.

        • It looks like someone’s been stabbed and the guy says he’s sorry to his pal. But yes, I can see he’s mentally slipped (like Charles Crumb).

          • Normality

            I think the other one’s saying “Thanks”, as in he wanted this to happen.

            Now that i think about it, it seems to make even less sense in context (if there’s any to begin with).

  • Jack Dalton Allistar

    I will openly welcome a Gamergate episode. I still have no idea what the fuck is going on with that, because I don’t follow the angry people on Twitter.

    I will restate what I’ve said before, whether relevant to Gamegate or not, but Anita is trying to baby proof the adult world. I’m amazed.

  • Ravuf

    I haven’t listened to the episode yet, but I’m so perplexed on what a ‘Teddie’ is.
    I guess I’ll find out

  • Mikel Crawford

    In regard to GamerGate, we got a turd in the punchbowl:
    https://storify.com/MadScientist212/the-gamergate-anti-harassment-patrol

    I repeat, we got a turd in the punchbowl.

    • KoriCongo

      When it comes to Storifes, take any of them with a grain of salt, especially ones with text+tweets.

      It’s VERY open to cherry-picking.

      Anyway, great episode, guys.

  • Though I haven’t heard of this “Goggles” tool yet, it sounds rather interesting to try, I see it’s changed it’s name to “dudl.me” now. Hopefully nobody takes a ‘sharpie’ to my drawings, but I’m sure that’ll happen soon enough! I just had some fun screwing around with one of ‘Tom Preson’s’ masterpieces just now! I see there isn’t a “back” button i you mess up and they apparently want me to sign up to use it after the end of the year, so that’s a bit of a drawback.

    God, I’m only glad I’m past the whole gaming culture to care about this right now (or Mario). I will say it’s gotten scary lately, and I can’t really get into it given the Arcade aesthetic I was raised on. I can’t really get into what it has evolved to. These games just don’t appeal to me at all, especially for quick plays. I can never imagine doing an hour or so on those things.

    The furry thing is a love/hate thing for me, on the one hand, I like the idea of how to tell stories with anthro characters (having wasted a childhood on “funny animal” comics like the Disney ones), what I don’t like is seeing that played out in reality the way the fans ended up going. I also don’t get the fetishes that also sprang up, especially vore and inflation. It just sorta went out of control for something that was a cheap cartoon gag to start with.

    I think the only thing I ever liked out of Schwartz was the meager Amiga animations he fiddled around with. They definitely showed potential to get a job at a studio like Warner Bros. if he had wanted to, but I guess he was homesick for his Columbus hometown. Though he could’ve worked for one studio that was open down there called “Character Builders” (co-founded by the creator of the “Bone” comics, they assisted on Space Jam).
    http://www.awn.com/mag/issue4.08/4.08pages/priceohio.php3

    This was my fav of his early efforts, and apparently he had to use FOUR Amigas to get it completed!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Yh8_rfTMQ

    He still wouldn’t let go of his Amiga fanaticism, creating this egotistical monstrosity of a video a few years back.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNR5vxAR22A

    One honorable mention of a guy out there in the fur community I could think of I also liked (a bit) was Shawn Keller. Unlike Schwartz, he did however got himself into the Hollywood cartoon mills of Warner Bros. and Disney. And like Mr. Schwartz, he also contributed something greatly to the fandom we all loathe so much, fursuiting!

    Sometime in the late 90’s/early 2000’s I think he had a falling out with the group and created a website that slammed furs everywhere as big, fat, slobs who were only interested in banging cartoon animals. I loved watching these!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DAyeBGGxmY

    He seems to have fallen off the face of the earth lately, this was the last-known appearance of him preparing to animate a feature film on his own but the project fell through.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh79_r8pKds

    Up to this point, I have to say I’ve never heard of this Andrew Dobson character, but now that I see what he did, I feel like a better person for not having started. I hate to say I’m a college dropout myself, but I haven’t even considered trying to self-publish my own webcomic yet simply because I know I still need to improve on my art skills. I take it one day at a time.

    • I think I recognize that Cheshire Cat character from the Sean Keller video. Dunno from where, though, except that I know it was from around the time I was keeping up on all the furry drama. I think he might’ve popped up a bunch on CrushYiffDestroy…

      Man, furries were just endlessly entertaining to follow. I think it was the combination of people who were crazy internet people and people trying to make careers and businesses out of this shit. It was insane, but not quite as depressingly sad as the internet communities we have now. It was a different kind of crazy. Like the difference between Jersey Shore and Honey Boo Boo… One’s a ridiculous spectacle, one just makes you depressed, and a little worried for those involved.

      “The furry thing is a love/hate thing for me, on the one hand, I like the idea of how to tell stories with anthro characters (having wasted a childhood on “funny animal” comics like the Disney ones), what I don’t like is seeing that played out in reality the way the fans ended up going. I also don’t get the fetishes that also sprang up, especially vore and inflation. It just sorta went out of control for something that was a cheap cartoon gag to start with.”

      I agree a million percent. I grew up with Disney and Don Bluth. Every other cartoon in the 90’s involved animal characters. Plinkett went into why animal features are a popular design choice in his Avatar review. Plus, I love the fact that anthropomorphic characters offer a myriad of character design options. Even designing based on certain species to go with the personality or gimmick of a character (I do this a lot in Cloudscratcher, especially with the Serpents. Their patterns and designs are based on species of snake that fit in line with their character or role in the story. It’s a fun process!).

      That said, I could never understand how one could focus on anthro characters exclusively. It’s like the traditional anime aesthetic; yeah, it looks cool, but eventually you get tired of it and want something different. I love making Cloudscratcher, but I still want/need to draw human beings, too. Anthro characters offer character design options you don’t get with humans, but human characters offer design options you don’t get with anthro characters. Sticking solely to one is just too limiting for my taste.

      • Normality

        “That said, I could never understand how one could focus on anthro
        characters exclusively. It’s like the traditional anime aesthetic; yeah,
        it looks cool, but eventually you get tired of it and want something
        different. I love making Cloudscratcher, but I still want/need to draw
        human beings, too. Anthro characters offer character design options you
        don’t get with humans, but human characters offer design options you
        don’t get with anthro characters. Sticking solely to one is just too
        limiting for my taste.”

        I can relate, I used to draw nothing but those sort of things. And almost all my stuff looked cartoony (or really shitty attempts at realism). Nowadays, I try to vary up what I can draw. It sure as shit isn’t perfect (still learning the ropes and all). But at least I’m trying to expand my range. Including trying for a balance between the two if possible. One day i hope to make that’s passable enough to show. And unlike other people (i.e Andrew Dobson), I’m willing to take anything you can dish out (I do that to myself alot, so I’m used to it)

        Speaking of Dobson, here’s something he cooked up with that Care Bear of his that I just found out about. And I don’t know whether to hang my head in shame, laugh, vomit, bitch about the art or all the above:

        • So he draws his character crossdressing, while making a face that says “I’ve been a baaaad boy!”

          What an incompetent rube…!

      • “I think I recognize that Cheshire Cat character from the Sean Keller video. Dunno from where, though, except that I know it was from around the time I was keeping up on all the furry drama. I think he might’ve popped up a bunch on CrushYiffDestroy…”

        Probably there. That’s his fursona BTW. I sorta had one too once, nothing special really, this was nearly 10 years ago.
        http://fav.me/dbryc9

        I do have a few people I do admire for their work and want to see them go somewhere with it. A few I can name of the time of my head are these.
        Kris Lewis (very inspired from The Lion King and Balto, but that was how she started ): http://greykitty.deviantart.com/
        Erin Humiston (cool animator, not really a furry but I love his animals): http://basakward.deviantart.com/
        Maki (Quite a near-pro in her Cartoon Network fanart, she could do comics for them): http://kuro-risu.deviantart.com/
        Jason D. Jones (does some nice cartoon work, very Hanna-Barbera inspired): http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kresblain
        Henrieke (Great Dutch artist who’s got that Disney comics style down pat): http://www.furaffinity.net/user/henrieke/

        There’s a few pros from the old days I follow as well…
        Mike Kazaleh (great comics guy and animator): http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mkaz/
        Tracey Kazaleh (Mike’s wife): http://www.furaffinity.net/user/frenata/
        Roz Gibson: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/rgibson/

        “Man, furries were just endlessly entertaining to follow. I think it was the combination of people who were crazy internet people and people trying to make careers and businesses out of this shit. It was insane, but not quite as depressingly sad as the internet communities we have now. It was a different kind of crazy. Like the difference between Jersey Shore and Honey Boo Boo… One’s a ridiculous spectacle, one just makes you depressed, and a little worried for those involved.”

        Which is probably why I haven’t watched neither side. Of course I only ever discovered this furry think thanks to the net almost 20 years ago. It was a gradual thing simply because I bothered to notice fan pages for things like The Secret of NIMH and saw there was other things that interested these people besides cartoon animals.

        “I agree a million percent. I grew up with Disney and Don Bluth. Every other cartoon in the 90’s involved animal characters. Plinkett went into why animal features are a popular design choice in his Avatar review. Plus, I love the fact that anthropomorphic characters offer a myriad of character design options.”

        In most cases, I think they’re easier to draw than humans. Chuck Jones once had a theory why that was suggesting how with humans, you tend to deal in stereotypes that otherwise might not come across the same way with an animal simply because you’re giving them those attributions while humanizing their personalities. Of course this sort of thing goes back to art and literature over years. Noted books I could think of might include Kenneth Grahame’s “The Wind in the Willows”, Beatrix Potter’s “Peter Rabbit”, Lewis Carroll’s “Alice in Wonderland” and even if you went many centuries further, the folktales of Reynard the Fox. To me, animals always seemed more appealing and fun in cartoons over reality given how much creative licenses are applied to characterization, facial detail and expressions and other things (much in the way otaku’s love of moe girls has it’s reasons, of course it always made sense to me to see a cartoon animal’s eyes appear more human expressively if only just a black pupil in a white eye).

        “Even designing based on certain species to go with the personality or gimmick of a character (I do this a lot in Cloudscratcher, especially with the Serpents. Their patterns and designs are based on species of snake that fit in line with their character or role in the story. It’s a fun process!).”

        I bet. I suppose one would have to do research to get those traits down enough in creating their characters. I suppose I’m more stuck on simply putting animals upright and see what they can do (though there are ones that go or the “putting animal heads on human bodies” too, Sherlock Hound is a good example of that).

        “That said, I could never understand how one could focus on anthro characters exclusively. It’s like the traditional anime aesthetic; yeah, it looks cool, but eventually you get tired of it and want something different. I love making Cloudscratcher, but I still want/need to draw human beings, too. Anthro characters offer character design options you don’t get with humans, but human characters offer design options you don’t get with anthro characters. Sticking solely to one is just too limiting for my taste.”

        I bet. I wouldn’t mind doing something where I could have the best of both worlds there if I wanted. A world that simply has human and anthro characters of certain species (since I could limit myself to a number of land mammals and everything is is simply regular non-sentient animals).

      • Cirrus

        Mr. Baier, since I know that Mr. Erikson might have a heart attack, along with subsequent flashbacks of increasingly horrifying images, you might want to comfort him before he finds this out for himself. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/12/22-1/video-nyarko-san-f-ova-ad-and-visual-go-online

  • Jarrett Beese

    You know as much as I like this podcast there are some moments that I wish I didn’t know about you and I mean that with as much respect as I can muster because had I never heard of you I would know next to nothing about Zac Bertschy, Zone, Anita Sarkeesian, Astarottes Toy, Dance in the Vampire Bund, Rwby, Haiyore Nyaruko-san, Flowers of Evil, Saya no Uta, David Serlin, Boku no Pico and Furries.

    So I must tip my hat while Simultaneously cursing impotently to the heavens for I now know should no be known by any sane reasonable creature.

    God have mercy on my soul.

  • Thinking about Goggles/dudl again, I could practically screw people over if I took the fattest brush possible and simply cover the entire page with a single color, preventing anyone from doing anything further to the original (given the permanence of this app, not very practical). They could draw/layer over what I did but then it would be something else. Again, it’s just a thought in my head but I’m sure someone would do that if they wanted to be a dick about it.

  • Peewee Pancakes

    When I saw church of mario in the title I’ll had a feeling Bob Chipman was coming up and I’m glad he got ripped apart here. This was the same clown who was telling the gaming community to lose weight and eat healthy while looking like an anthropomorphic version of the Hindenburg blimp himself. The very same knucklehead that’s “all for the women” this and sexism that, but was the same one to praise Metroid other M and claimed that others were xenophobic for calling it shit. If there’s anything that can be said about Bob it’s that him and Chris-chan are two sides of the same coin. And fuck that rat bastard for leaving his grandma’s funeral, I hope he chokes on his own failures as a human being.